Pit's Counter Picks

Pit is strong Against

How to counter Little Mac with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Little Mac
score: 
73
76.64
% upvotes
How to counter King K. Rool with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
King K. Rool
score: 
45
77.78
% upvotes
How to counter Ganondorf with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ganondorf
score: 
43
76.54
% upvotes
How to counter Ryu with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ryu
score: 
42
79.17
% upvotes
How to counter King Dedede with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
King Dedede
score: 
33
73.91
% upvotes
How to counter Captain Falcon with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Captain Falcon
score: 
32
71.05
% upvotes
How to counter Incineroar with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Incineroar
score: 
27
77.55
% upvotes
How to counter Richter with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Richter
score: 
23
81.08
% upvotes
How to counter Robin with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Robin
score: 
21
81.82
% upvotes
How to counter Donkey Kong with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Donkey Kong
score: 
20
77.78
% upvotes
How to counter Mewtwo with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Mewtwo
score: 
19
71.11
% upvotes
How to counter Kirby with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Kirby
score: 
18
69.57
% upvotes
How to counter Zelda with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Zelda
score: 
17
71.79
% upvotes
How to counter Isabelle with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Isabelle
score: 
14
71.88
% upvotes
How to counter Jigglypuff with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Jigglypuff
score: 
13
70.97
% upvotes
How to counter Mii Brawler with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Mii Brawler
score: 
13
68.57
% upvotes
How to counter Ridley with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ridley
score: 
13
72.41
% upvotes
How to counter Lucas with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Lucas
score: 
13
69.70
% upvotes
How to counter Simon with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Simon
score: 
12
66.67
% upvotes
How to counter Mii Gunner with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Mii Gunner
score: 
12
75.00
% upvotes
How to counter Ivysaur with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ivysaur
score: 
11
67.74
% upvotes
How to counter Hero with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Hero
score: 
11
68.97
% upvotes
How to counter Dark Samus with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Dark Samus
score: 
10
62.50
% upvotes
How to counter Lucario with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Lucario
score: 
9
69.57
% upvotes
How to counter Ken with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ken
score: 
9
64.52
% upvotes
How to counter Ness with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ness
score: 
8
61.11
% upvotes
How to counter Min Min with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Min Min
score: 
7
70.59
% upvotes
How to counter Dr. Mario with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Dr. Mario
score: 
7
62.07
% upvotes
62.07
% upvotes
How to counter Bowser Jr. with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Bowser Jr.
score: 
7
61.29
% upvotes
How to counter Pac-Man with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Pac-Man
score: 
7
62.96
% upvotes
How to counter Mega Man with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Mega Man
score: 
7
62.96
% upvotes
How to counter Olimar with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Olimar
score: 
6
60.71
% upvotes
How to counter Piranha Plant with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Piranha Plant
score: 
5
58.06
% upvotes
How to counter Duck Hunt with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Duck Hunt
score: 
5
59.26
% upvotes
How to counter Luigi with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Luigi
score: 
5
60.00
% upvotes
How to counter Sheik with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Sheik
score: 
5
60.87
% upvotes
How to counter Byleth with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Byleth
score: 
5
63.16
% upvotes
How to counter Falco with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Falco
score: 
4
55.88
% upvotes
How to counter Dark Pit with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Dark Pit
score: 
4
54.17
% upvotes
How to counter Samus with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Samus
score: 
4
57.14
% upvotes
How to counter Bayonetta with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Bayonetta
score: 
3
55.56
% upvotes
How to counter Charizard with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Charizard
score: 
2
52.63
% upvotes
How to counter Corrin with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Corrin
score: 
2
53.33
% upvotes
53.85
% upvotes
52.00
% upvotes
How to counter Chrom with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Chrom
score: 
0
50.00
% upvotes
How to counter Mario with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Mario
score: 
0
50.00
% upvotes
How to counter Yoshi with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Yoshi
score: 
0
50.00
% upvotes
How to counter Ice Climbers with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ice Climbers
score: 
0
50.00
% upvotes
How to counter Bowser with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Bowser
score: 
0
50.00
% upvotes
How to counter Greninja with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Greninja
score: 
0
50.00
% upvotes
How to counter Mii Swordfighter with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Mii Swordfighter
score: 
-1
48.15
% upvotes
How to counter Steve with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Steve
score: 
-1
46.67
% upvotes
How to counter Shulk with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Shulk
score: 
-1
48.48
% upvotes
How to counter Inkling with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Inkling
score: 
-2
46.15
% upvotes
How to counter Roy with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Roy
score: 
-2
47.83
% upvotes
How to counter Daisy with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Daisy
score: 
-3
44.44
% upvotes
45.16
% upvotes
How to counter Marth with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Marth
score: 
-3
45.45
% upvotes
How to counter Ike with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ike
score: 
-3
46.67
% upvotes
How to counter Villager with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Villager
score: 
-4
42.31
% upvotes
How to counter Peach with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Peach
score: 
-4
43.33
% upvotes
How to counter Sonic with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Sonic
score: 
-4
45.45
% upvotes
How to counter Fox with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Fox
score: 
-4
44.44
% upvotes
How to counter Terry with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Terry
score: 
-4
42.31
% upvotes
How to counter Cloud with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Cloud
score: 
-5
43.90
% upvotes
How to counter Sephiroth with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Sephiroth
score: 
-5
27.27
% upvotes
How to counter Diddy Kong with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Diddy Kong
score: 
-5
41.94
% upvotes
How to counter Wolf with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Wolf
score: 
-6
40.63
% upvotes
How to counter Meta Knight with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Meta Knight
score: 
-7
42.22
% upvotes
How to counter Wario with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Wario
score: 
-7
36.00
% upvotes
How to counter Zero Suit Samus with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Zero Suit Samus
score: 
-7
40.54
% upvotes
How to counter Pyra with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Pyra
score: 
-10
18.75
% upvotes
How to counter Palutena with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Palutena
score: 
-13
31.43
% upvotes
How to counter Joker with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Joker
score: 
-13
30.30
% upvotes
How to counter R.O.B. with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
R.O.B.
score: 
-18
32.69
% upvotes
How to counter Squirtle with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Squirtle
score: 
-19
33.33
% upvotes
How to counter Snake with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Snake
score: 
-26
33.33
% upvotes
How to counter Lucina with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Lucina
score: 
-39
32.74
% upvotes
How to counter Pichu with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Pichu
score: 
-41
24.05
% upvotes
How to counter Pikachu with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Pikachu
score: 
-85
17.05
% upvotes

Pit is weak Against

How to counter Pikachu with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Pikachu
score: 
85
82.95
% upvotes
How to counter Pichu with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Pichu
score: 
41
75.95
% upvotes
How to counter Lucina with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Lucina
score: 
39
67.26
% upvotes
How to counter Snake with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Snake
score: 
26
66.67
% upvotes
How to counter Squirtle with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Squirtle
score: 
19
66.67
% upvotes
How to counter R.O.B. with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
R.O.B.
score: 
18
67.31
% upvotes
How to counter Joker with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Joker
score: 
13
69.70
% upvotes
How to counter Palutena with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Palutena
score: 
13
68.57
% upvotes
How to counter Pyra with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Pyra
score: 
10
81.25
% upvotes
59.46
% upvotes
How to counter Wario with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Wario
score: 
7
64.00
% upvotes
How to counter Meta Knight with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Meta Knight
score: 
7
57.78
% upvotes
How to counter Wolf with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Wolf
score: 
6
59.38
% upvotes
How to counter Diddy Kong with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Diddy Kong
score: 
5
58.06
% upvotes
How to counter Sephiroth with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Sephiroth
score: 
5
72.73
% upvotes
How to counter Cloud with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Cloud
score: 
5
56.10
% upvotes
How to counter Terry with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Terry
score: 
4
57.69
% upvotes
How to counter Fox with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Fox
score: 
4
55.56
% upvotes
How to counter Sonic with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Sonic
score: 
4
54.55
% upvotes
How to counter Peach with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Peach
score: 
4
56.67
% upvotes
How to counter Villager with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Villager
score: 
4
57.69
% upvotes
How to counter Ike with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ike
score: 
3
53.33
% upvotes
How to counter Marth with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Marth
score: 
3
54.55
% upvotes
54.84
% upvotes
How to counter Daisy with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Daisy
score: 
3
55.56
% upvotes
How to counter Roy with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Roy
score: 
2
52.17
% upvotes
How to counter Inkling with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Inkling
score: 
2
53.85
% upvotes
How to counter Shulk with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Shulk
score: 
1
51.52
% upvotes
How to counter Steve with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Steve
score: 
1
53.33
% upvotes
51.85
% upvotes
How to counter Greninja with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Greninja
score: 
0
50.00
% upvotes
How to counter Bowser with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Bowser
score: 
0
50.00
% upvotes
How to counter Ice Climbers with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ice Climbers
score: 
0
50.00
% upvotes
How to counter Yoshi with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Yoshi
score: 
0
50.00
% upvotes
How to counter Mario with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Mario
score: 
0
50.00
% upvotes
How to counter Chrom with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Chrom
score: 
0
50.00
% upvotes
48.00
% upvotes
46.15
% upvotes
How to counter Corrin with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Corrin
score: 
-2
46.67
% upvotes
How to counter Charizard with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Charizard
score: 
-2
47.37
% upvotes
How to counter Bayonetta with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Bayonetta
score: 
-3
44.44
% upvotes
How to counter Samus with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Samus
score: 
-4
42.86
% upvotes
How to counter Dark Pit with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Dark Pit
score: 
-4
45.83
% upvotes
How to counter Falco with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Falco
score: 
-4
44.12
% upvotes
How to counter Byleth with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Byleth
score: 
-5
36.84
% upvotes
How to counter Sheik with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Sheik
score: 
-5
39.13
% upvotes
How to counter Luigi with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Luigi
score: 
-5
40.00
% upvotes
How to counter Duck Hunt with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Duck Hunt
score: 
-5
40.74
% upvotes
How to counter Piranha Plant with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Piranha Plant
score: 
-5
41.94
% upvotes
How to counter Olimar with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Olimar
score: 
-6
39.29
% upvotes
How to counter Mega Man with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Mega Man
score: 
-7
37.04
% upvotes
How to counter Pac-Man with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Pac-Man
score: 
-7
37.04
% upvotes
How to counter Bowser Jr. with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Bowser Jr.
score: 
-7
38.71
% upvotes
How to counter Wii Fit Trainer with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Wii Fit Trainer
score: 
-7
37.93
% upvotes
How to counter Dr. Mario with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Dr. Mario
score: 
-7
37.93
% upvotes
How to counter Min Min with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Min Min
score: 
-7
29.41
% upvotes
How to counter Ness with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ness
score: 
-8
38.89
% upvotes
How to counter Ken with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ken
score: 
-9
35.48
% upvotes
How to counter Lucario with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Lucario
score: 
-9
30.43
% upvotes
How to counter Dark Samus with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Dark Samus
score: 
-10
37.50
% upvotes
How to counter Hero with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Hero
score: 
-11
31.03
% upvotes
How to counter Ivysaur with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ivysaur
score: 
-11
32.26
% upvotes
How to counter Mii Gunner with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Mii Gunner
score: 
-12
25.00
% upvotes
How to counter Simon with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Simon
score: 
-12
33.33
% upvotes
How to counter Lucas with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Lucas
score: 
-13
30.30
% upvotes
How to counter Ridley with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ridley
score: 
-13
27.59
% upvotes
How to counter Mii Brawler with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Mii Brawler
score: 
-13
31.43
% upvotes
How to counter Jigglypuff with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Jigglypuff
score: 
-13
29.03
% upvotes
How to counter Isabelle with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Isabelle
score: 
-14
28.13
% upvotes
How to counter Zelda with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Zelda
score: 
-17
28.21
% upvotes
How to counter Kirby with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Kirby
score: 
-18
30.43
% upvotes
How to counter Mewtwo with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Mewtwo
score: 
-19
28.89
% upvotes
How to counter Donkey Kong with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Donkey Kong
score: 
-20
22.22
% upvotes
How to counter Robin with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Robin
score: 
-21
18.18
% upvotes
How to counter Richter with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Richter
score: 
-23
18.92
% upvotes
How to counter Incineroar with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Incineroar
score: 
-27
22.45
% upvotes
How to counter Captain Falcon with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Captain Falcon
score: 
-32
28.95
% upvotes
How to counter King Dedede with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
King Dedede
score: 
-33
26.09
% upvotes
How to counter Ryu with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ryu
score: 
-42
20.83
% upvotes
How to counter Ganondorf with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ganondorf
score: 
-43
23.46
% upvotes
How to counter King K. Rool with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
King K. Rool
score: 
-45
22.22
% upvotes
How to counter Little Mac with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Little Mac
score: 
-73
23.36
% upvotes

Pit is strong Against

How to counter Little Mac with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Little Mac
score: 
73
76.64
% upvotes
How to counter King K. Rool with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
King K. Rool
score: 
45
77.78
% upvotes
How to counter Ganondorf with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ganondorf
score: 
43
76.54
% upvotes
How to counter Ryu with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Ryu
score: 
42
79.17
% upvotes
How to counter King Dedede with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
King Dedede
score: 
33
73.91
% upvotes

Pit is weak Against

How to counter Pikachu with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Pikachu
score: 
85
82.95
% upvotes
How to counter Pichu with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Pichu
score: 
41
75.95
% upvotes
How to counter Lucina with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Lucina
score: 
39
67.26
% upvotes
How to counter Snake with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Snake
score: 
26
66.67
% upvotes
How to counter Squirtle with Pit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Squirtle
score: 
19
66.67
% upvotes

Tips for Pit

  • Down tilt leads into forward air at almost all percents
  • People will always try to have a plan for your arrows as a pit player, so, basically don’t be a spammy player. Use it when they won’t expect it. Play like you would against a team, move around a lot
  • On low percents if you fast fall a nair go for a grab. On mid percents go for a down tilt or up tilt. On high percents you can go for a foward smash or side tilt if you wanna play safe.
  • It’s best to only use Pit’s Side B to either recover from ledge or break through a flurry of jabs from the opponent (except Zelda’s?). It typically kills around 130% if you’re feeling ballsy, though.
  • Down Throw to N-Air works at Low to relatively Mid-High percents, it's great for racking up damage.
  • Stay Positive! 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊👍👍👍
  • Pit's Down-B is deceptively strong. It can be broken by a strong hit, but Pit will take no damage and have generally little lag. Use this when falling to bait out laggy moves and then punish them
  • if opponent nair's, arrow them to cancel it; then jab at close range. it makes ikes look like a wimp
  • Don't forget to down throw -> DAIR -> Nair/Up Air depending on the percents. Some Pit players just don't use dair entirely after down throw.
  • Use drag downs to your advantage, they are one of pits best tools and try to get stages with platforms so pit can get more drag downs. Very useful tbh.
  • Most of Pit's combos are mix-ups except down throw into aerials at low to mid-high percents. See what options your opponent does after drag down nair or down tilt and punish accordingly.
  • Don’t be scared to go off stage. Edge guarding with Nair can kill a big part of the roster.
  • to break a shield, attack by holding the bottom and right button, or grab to shield press the joystick down and use the button on the right. when you are close to your opponent use a physical.
  • Downthrow into downair into another aerial is like the go to combo starter, however you can land downthrow into upsmash on most characters until ~35%. And lastly, Downtilt doesn't combo if they DI out
  • If you can get the sweet spot on someone on stage about at 80~90, then up- smash it has a high chance to kill.
  • At low percents, down throw into up smash lands for about 24%
  • Here's how you can get down air to spike consistently: Don't, it won't work 90% of the time :)
  • Up Air And Forward Are Useful For Combos And Just Killing At 85%-Anything.
  • Down throw upsmash is a good combo that can work up to 40%. DONT be afraid of going offstage for edgeguarding.
  • Use many aerials attacks when your enemy is outside of the stage, the suficient for kill
  • Forward throw can kill a mid weight around 130 on ledge, pit is amazing for ledge trapping considering his lasting hit box Nair and his two framing down smash.
  • some of the items aren't worth getting.
  • Up b should do damage like 20 damage
  • Holy **** I hate pit so much he is the ******* worst guy, every time I fight one they always launch ******* progectiles and side b, sakurai made a ******* horrible decision including this abomination
  • Here's what you do: Take your controller, Go back to the character select screen, hit the B button and pick someone else because why the **** are you playing pit?
  • Side B kills consistently when the opponent is above 100%
  • Down tilt leads into forward air at almost all percents
  • People will always try to have a plan for your arrows as a pit player, so, basically don’t be a spammy player. Use it when they won’t expect it. Play like you would against a team, move around a lot
  • On low percents if you fast fall a nair go for a grab. On mid percents go for a down tilt or up tilt. On high percents you can go for a foward smash or side tilt if you wanna play safe.
  • It’s best to only use Pit’s Side B to either recover from ledge or break through a flurry of jabs from the opponent (except Zelda’s?). It typically kills around 130% if you’re feeling ballsy, though.
  • Down Throw to N-Air works at Low to relatively Mid-High percents, it's great for racking up damage.

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